Finding a solution to breaking gearcases on high power Rs

ChrisS

New Member
Then cost of casings would be £1500 based on 5 orders...
Not cheap, especially as it will be unproved until someone uses one.

Quaife did tell me that they once helped a customer develop a steel plate to fit the end off the box about 2 years ago so they are fully aware of this issue...
Did they say who had developed this and how sucessful it was?
 

Rishi

Still waiting on some shims!
ChrisS said:
Quaife did tell me that they once helped a customer develop a steel plate to fit the end off the box about 2 years ago so they are fully aware of this issue...
Did they say who had developed this and how sucessful it was?


No they couldn't remember... :roll:



Rishi
 

Rishi

Still waiting on some shims!
ChrisS said:
No they couldn't remember...
:(
Could they remember anything about what they did at all, or would they have kept any records/drawings or the like?

They said it was just a simple steel plate braced onto the gearbox casing...


Rishi
 

R-Type

Member
RishiGTiR said:
Well got a reply from Quaife...

It would just be the end casing that would be developed...

Initial Patern Cost - £5000 - £6000

Then cost of casings would be £1500 based on 5 orders...

Not sure many people would want to invest in this...

Quaife did tell me that they once helped a customer develop a steel plate to fit the end off the box about 2 years ago so they are fully aware of this issue...

Me personally am going to see what Ian @ Hiteq manages to work up...



Rishi
The initial patern cost could be soaked up in the 1st 5 orders....instead of £1500 it will be £2500 to £2700 per case but anyone buying after the the 1st 5 will get a better deal.
Depends on how bad people want them.
 
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Odin

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I don't think there will be many taker's for a new caseing lol, it would cost more than most of are cars are worth at the moment :shock: :cry: .

I think the best option is the steel brace idea :wink: .

Mind you if I win the lottery anytime soon I'll buy you all a new caseing :wink: :lol: :lol: , But don't hold your breath :lol: .



rob
 

Rishi

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vpulsar said:
I don't think there will be many taker's for a new caseing lol, it would cost more than most of are cars are worth at the moment :shock: :cry: .

I think the best option is the steel brace idea :wink: .

Mind you if I win the lottery anytime soon I'll buy you all a new caseing :wink: :lol: :lol: , But don't hold your breath :lol: .



rob
Hear that everyone... If Rob wins the lottery, even if its only a tenner he's paying for new casings for all of us... :p

Awful decent of you Rob... :wink: :lol:



Rishi
 
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KRS

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Im intrested, but we gotta get them to lower that price.

Im sure more people would be intrested if they can bring it down to a 3 figure number. They would potentialy make more money this way. £1500 is to much for just the end caseing.
 

Rishi

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KRS said:
Im intrested, but we gotta get them to lower that price.

Im sure more people would be intrested if they can bring it down to a 3 figure number. They would potentialy make more money this way. £1500 is to much for just the end caseing.

And whose going to cover the initial pattern costs...?

I think the brace is the way to go...



Rishi
 

stevepudney

GTiROC CHAIRMAN
Staff member
RishiGTiR said:
KRS said:
Im intrested, but we gotta get them to lower that price.

Im sure more people would be intrested if they can bring it down to a 3 figure number. They would potentialy make more money this way. £1500 is to much for just the end caseing.

And whose going to cover the initial pattern costs...?

I think the brace is the way to go...



Rishi

Personally I would rather have a new steel end casing than some bodged looking brace (no disrespect Sid)

We need to find out how many people would be interested and let the survey/question run over a period of a couple of weeks. Stick it up on the GTIR modders site as well.
Then compile a list of potential buyers, then take the list to a number of manufacturers, they then decide weather they actually want the job, then weigh up the figures and set a sale price to balance there expenditure and profit margin.

This means we need as many buyers on that "list" as possible to help spread the costs of initial pattern.

Perhaps Forge would be worth contacting
 

bracpan

Active Member
They could/would use the original casing as a base then add extra thickness to the week area and build in some external ribbing, make a patten then use it to re-cast a new casing..
Shame we did not know anybody who works in a foundry (dying art these days). Then you would have to machine the inner casing to original spec.... I used to work in a place that could have done all of this no problem but it closed down years ago.
It does not have to be a gearbox specialist as they will also use a foundry to produce the final casing....does anybody know of a Foundry and Engineering company like this? I know its a long shot but worth a try.
Also very interested to see what Ian will do at Hi-Teq...
Cheers
Phil
 

Rishi

Still waiting on some shims!
There is actually another place i can try... :wink:

Will call them tomorrow...




Rishi
 

Rishi

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stevepudney said:
RishiGTiR said:
KRS said:
Im intrested, but we gotta get them to lower that price.

Im sure more people would be intrested if they can bring it down to a 3 figure number. They would potentialy make more money this way. £1500 is to much for just the end caseing.

And whose going to cover the initial pattern costs...?

I think the brace is the way to go...



Rishi

Personally I would rather have a new steel end casing than some bodged looking brace (no disrespect Sid)

We need to find out how many people would be interested and let the survey/question run over a period of a couple of weeks. Stick it up on the GTIR modders site as well.
Then compile a list of potential buyers, then take the list to a number of manufacturers, they then decide weather they actually want the job, then weigh up the figures and set a sale price to balance there expenditure and profit margin.

This means we need as many buyers on that "list" as possible to help spread the costs of initial pattern.

Perhaps Forge would be worth contacting

Does sound like a good idea... But what if the product doesn't work as its supposed to... They will no guarantee this product as i already asked...

We could end up spending loads on something that just doesn't cut it...



Rishi
 

stevepudney

GTiROC CHAIRMAN
Staff member
I have just spoken to a contact of mine who has several large (£750,000 :shock: ) 3D water engraving/carving plants and also has some monstrous CNC Milling machines and these things are truly amasing, water jets as fine as 0.5mm cut through 6" of steel in one pass

He suggested basically milling and water cutting a new end casing out of a solid lump of billet Alloy or steel, using the original end casing to get a 3D map from.
He's going away for a week as from tonight but will be back in a week. I'll take my spare end casing down to him and see if he thinks it's conceiveable, sounded very promising though.
 

Rishi

Still waiting on some shims!
stevepudney said:
I have just spoken to a contact of mine who has several large (£750,000 :shock: ) 3D water engraving/carving plants and also has some monstrous CNC Milling machines and these things are truly amasing, water jets as fine as 0.5mm cut through 6" of steel in one pass

He suggested basically milling and water cutting a new end casing out of a solid lump of billet Alloy or steel, using the original end casing to get a 3D map from.
He's going away for a week as from tonight but will be back in a week. I'll take my spare end casing down to him and see if he thinks it's conceiveable, sounded very promising though.
Excellent!... This is what we need... :D

But what about the fact that the main case and the end case are of different materials... Won't that be a problem with heat and expansion...??



Rishi
 

stevepudney

GTiROC CHAIRMAN
Staff member
.......if it were made out of a single lump of billet alloy then I'm sure that would be fine.

On the subject of temperatures and expansion then the materials a brace & plate system would have to carfully considered as well
 

Keira

New Member
stevepudney said:
Then compile a list of potential buyers,
Not trying to p!ss on the bonfire but i almost garauntee that there'll be loads of potential buyers until putting money up for it comes about.

Have to wait and see, although i'm sure we could get 5-10 definates at least 8)
 
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