Totb Vii '08

[LOU ROB]

I'll be in next years event.

I'm one of those big horepower chappies with a well set up 'R.

I'll have a lot more power, grip and a lot less weight than i've evr had.

My car never really got a chance to fully show its true potential at t.o.t.b 4 as I gave up most of my track time to try and help a friend/fellow team mate to get his car running properly, and when he did, unfortunately, he blew his gearbox.

I'm not relly interested in the opinions of people of how to select a team for t.o.t.b, or what the ideal car should be, because, at the end of the day, there are only half a dozen of us from here who have first hand experiance and have actually competed in the event.

 

[STU666V]

Why not start off with hill climbs and sprint racing and see how good your car is? There was 2 pepole that does racing in my class at TOTB this year.
It's a good starting point?
Some big tracks and also some small tracks?

 

[pulsarboby]

dont know nothing about this totb thingy but i cant see why a gtir cant do very well if its a small tight circuit, the R has a tight turning circle and should be ideally suited to this type of thing a lot more than big bhp evos scoobies etc.
and it also has the benefit of being awd, so why is it not competitive in the circuit part???

can understand the top speed runs and even qualter mile, but really should be there abouts in the twisty stuff!

i may even put myself up for it next year providing it doesnt clash with the racing im planning on doing.
think andy had a good idea with a trackday of sorts to see whos the quickest, power really counts for nothing!

 

[GINGA]

dont know nothing about this totb thingy but i cant see why a gtir cant do very well if its a small tight circuit, the R has a tight turning circle and should be ideally suited to this type of thing a lot more than big bhp evos scoobies etc.
and it also has the benefit of being awd, so why is it not competitive in the circuit part???

Its still difficult to say how well the R does as theres been hardly anybody actually do the handling circuit, Mo and Soggy did it this year running 43/44's which was some 5-6 secs off the pace but then I don't know how hard they were trying and how good a drivers they are.
I don't think track day times are a ideal way of finding the fastest car/drivers as you get time to build up speed with lots of laps, with the sprints you get 1 lap to do it starting on cold tyres which is alittle different, Ideally you would need to run on a sprint track to get the best idea, but I doubt the club would get enough members to do it to make it a viable option.
Cars/drivers like Bracpan and STU666V prove that the R can mix it with evo's,scoobies etc when nicely setup and driven.

 

[R-Type]

With all due respect to anyone who thinks there is a chance that a gtir will score points in this event.......have a look at the results!

With dedicated Time Attack cars like that of RC Developements & Norris Designs placing 19th & 24th in the handling, what chance do you think a gtir will place amongst the top ten to score a point.

As Lou states, there're only a handful of us that have done the event & i for one gave it my best on the handling circuit (had 4 timed runs). My best time was 43 secs, which i know i could have improved on with more runs but even if i was to knock off 4 secs off that time, i would still be around 20th place!!

So all you hot shot drivers, by all means give it a go...i'll be the 1st to congratulate you should you get into points scoring table.

Trust me it's not as easy as it looks.

 

[MarkTurbo]

cant see why a gtir cant do very well if its a small tight circuit, the R has a tight turning circle and should be ideally suited to this type of thing a lot more than big bhp evos scoobies etc.
and it also has the benefit of being awd, so why is it not competitive in the circuit part???

The simple answer is because its basically 17 year old technology which was never really any good in the handling department to start with and has the added bonus of having terrible understeer :lol:

It may have a tight turning circle but its getting it to go round those tight turns at any sort of decent speed thats the problem ;-)

 

[pulsarboby]

The simple answer is because its basically 17 year old technology which was never really any good in the handling department to start with and has the added bonus of having terrible understeer :lol:

It may have a tight turning circle but its getting it to go round those tight turns at any sort of decent speed thats the problem ;-)

but a well setup car with uprated suspension etc etc cant be compared to a standard car, therefor it shouldnt be that far off the mark.
how long is this circuit?

 

[campbellju]

Understeer on tight corners?
Problem solved:

http://www.gtiroc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=307&d=1158053929

My own opinon on the handling circuit is:

The fastest cars will be the ones with the best drivers. I'm far rustier than I used to be and those getting out on the trackdays and hillclimbs the most will be the best drivers.
Elvington is an airfield, not a race circuit, the surface is very bumpy.
IIRC, the "handling circuit" looks like an autocross course where its all 2nd and 3rd gear 400hp is useful rather than necessary. Sticky tyres are the most important thing.
For anyone interested, we should all get down Elvington some time, not as a qualifier but just to have a laugh and fiddle with car setups. People can then feel how bad the surface is for themselves.

Any willing participant is better than none, at the end of the day its just a bit of fun.

 

[pulsarboby]

wheres elvington?

 

[stumo]

Nr York

 

[Dragmera]

I know it's something that can't be done overnight, but why isn't there the option of using an Evo gerabox with a custom bellhousing to mate it to the SR20 block?

Has anyone even though of it?

 

[ashills]

as you cant unbolt the bell housings like u can on rwd box's so would need a spacer and extend the input shaft etc would be a lot of wok then it would be tight in the bay due to spacer etc and matching diff ratios to the rear diff aswell

 

[Dragmera]

It's not a case of unbolting the bellhousings.

What I have seen done is to cut the original SR20 bellhousing off and cut the evo housing off and then align and weld the SR20 housing onto the evo gearbox.

Then of course you would need to sort out the issue with cluch configuration.

The stock GTiR final drive is 4.125 and Shep Racing can provide you with a 4.11 final drive for the Evo box, so very close to the orignal.

 

[Dooie Pop Pop]

It's not a case of unbolting the bellhousings.

What I have seen done is to cut the original SR20 bellhousing off and cut the evo housing off and then align and weld the SR20 housing onto the evo gearbox.

:-D thats a novel idea! got any links or pics?

 

[a11ova]

I need to have a word with rishi and andy first but im gonna stick my neck on the block and volunteer for the next ten of the best. Zen Performance and Pete whitfield are gonna be responsible for 90% of the build in the coming months, and i will have between 500 and 550bhp with a very similar torque figure. on the gearbox side i'll be running a PPG gearset with uprated selector forks and a strengthened casing.

How much after for one of those braces fella as i would be very interested in one

cheers

 

[tez2284]

Understeer on tight corners?
Problem solved:

http://www.gtiroc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=307&d=1158053929

My own opinon on the handling circuit is:

The fastest cars will be the ones with the best drivers. I'm far rustier than I used to be and those getting out on the trackdays and hillclimbs the most will be the best drivers.
Elvington is an airfield, not a race circuit, the surface is very bumpy.
IIRC, the "handling circuit" looks like an autocross course where its all 2nd and 3rd gear 400hp is useful rather than necessary. Sticky tyres are the most important thing.
For anyone interested, we should all get down Elvington some time, not as a qualifier but just to have a laugh and fiddle with car setups. People can then feel how bad the surface is for themselves.

Any willing participant is better than none, at the end of the day its just a bit of fun.

This is a good point to make and possibly a good way to save money, i dont know about the rest of the country but in norfolk there are a good few old raf airfields and alot are now owned by farmers and small pleasure flight opperators so geting one of these for the day cost no where near as much as some off the bigger more well known airfields, then all you need is some cones to set out a course, have a look at the totb courses from previos events and try to match them with the track you will be practicing on, plus if the rest of the country is anything like norfolk you will find loads of places you can use and have seperate meets, as it costs less you will be able to have more practice and the air fields will be closer so again you will be able to practice more and have more of a chance at changing the setup and upgrades to suit this event, if you got even one point im sure some small retailer would help a bit with funding for a sshare of the glory.

 

[tez2284]

I think this would involve a more specialized car than would have been entered before, first of all a low ratio gearbow would'nt go amis as you wont need top end for this course and accelerating to the next corner is needed, breaks need to be looked at as breaking as late as poss is another thing needed, as other people have metioned suspesion has to be looked at too, lightning the car would also help (ie: geting rid of non esentials like the rear seat, spare weel ect...) with acceleration and deceleration alot, also if a few people worked on the same car you would be able to do more as 20-30 k seems alot smaller sum if split 2-3 or more ways.

 

[tez2284]

your right about driver choice too, the end of august time i went carting and even tho im 17 stone i managed to get 4th place for that week and was only 0.3 secs off the first place person, all the times that the track staff had put in where added too so i didn't do bad at all, im in the process of starting up my own business at the moment and once thats sorted il have the dollar i need to have a competitive car plus the experience of my girlfriends stepdad who has worked on alot of performance cars most from lotus so knows a thing or two about getting a car set up right and still has his own garage, so not 08 or maybe not even 09 but by 2010 i hope to have a competitive gti-r to enter totb, im not sure yet but i may go for a set-up for the 1/4 mile or more likely go for a set-up for the handling course and hope to get atleast one point.

 

[pulsarboby]

tez......your far to fat to ever consider anything like that:caked: stop eating the pies and supping the beer and you will be slim n trim like moi:lol: 8)

 

[tez2284]

tez......your far to fat to ever consider anything like that:caked: stop eating the pies and supping the beer and you will be slim n trim like moi:lol: 8)

considering i have only 18% body fat and use my multi gym every night and hate pies and beer too (im a vodka man myself) your wrong l :der: , as for me being to heavy i can outclass people who weigh 11-12 stone in a 125cc go-cart and only be 0.3 secs off pace against people who work at the cart track and use it whenever its not being used by customers im defo good enuff to compete especially since il have around 60k a year to spend on the car once my business is sorted :lol: oh yeh and even if i dont get a point at least id have taken part which is more than can be said for alot of people :lol: