I've had both the new and old Ap organic kit in my car in the last year because part of the cover plate decided to break up on the old type one :evil: :evil: (fitted the new type one 5 weeks ago) They're both heavy, but the new one feels heavier than the old one.J-GTi-R said:I've driven two AP organic equiped cars (both the old and new kit) and they are quite a lot heavier than standard.