SE Nissan wide arch kit?

[Nad]

If it was a good idea Nissan would have doen it themselves.

They also put a giant intercooler on top of the engine...



Rishi

But they also wanted to do a second homologation run will a FMIC when they realised the mistake but Nissan didnt have the money to push another one thru at the time so ner ner :lol:

Nad

 

[nickg123]

So did Subaru??

 

[Anonymous]

Subarus dont seem to suffer half as bad as the when talking about heat soak.

Its my car, wide arch look cool, i want to fit one. So nah

 

[Anonymous]

If it was a good idea Nissan would have doen it themselves.

Not strictly true. ALL cars are made to a compromise. Are you saying Nissan thought it was a good idea to fit brakes that don't stop the car, make the gearbox out of cheese and use 14" pram wheels?!? Wide arches would have looked pants on the base model Sunny and to add them to the GTIR only would have cost £millions. To tool up for those panels as well as all the other assosiated changes would have put the cost through the roof.

I think the kit looks good and if it wasn't so expensive I could be tempted too! Each to their own I say.

Just my opinion,
Dunc

 

[Cris]

I agree with Dunc on this note.

Surely having wider arches is just the sort of thing that used to happen to rally cars e.g. Lancia Delta Evo etc.

If they were well made then they should be solid. Wouldn't it also mean that you could run wider wheels...

 

[Ninja_tune_factory]

im not big on cars that look like that( max power cars) the R was billt to look the way it do the car is the nut the way it looks standerd i fink only carbon hoods sood be put on. let the saxo,fester,cosers ect boys play with there body kits the R was billt to be a rally car not a hight street car. it a big bulls power mad road going rally car. i no that its got it problems like gear box, intercooler ect but like i said it a out the box road going rally car.it was not billt for body kits or neons. alot of peeps go on about the cooler ontop of the engine but they rallyed the R ok it didnt do grate but they still keepted the cooler on top. the way i see it is that nissan no fuck loads more about billding cars then i do so i fink they no best .

hope i aint pissed anyone off .

 

[GTI-R Kid]

Horses for courses really.

I say each to their own, modifying is about adding that personal touch, and if someone wants the wide-arch then i say go for it.

But Nad you do have to agree that Duncan makes a good point - Nissan made a fair few mistakes when it came to the GTI-R, not just the positioning of the intercooler.

And Dunc - you left out one other thing - the crap weight distribution of the standard car! Something like 68:32 aint it?

 

[turblio]

Just fit an ARC top mount I have 8) huge improvement also wider cooling fins so dust, bugs, (and air) go straight through it, remember an article on
the desert stages where the main problem with the rally R was sand and
dirt clogging the IC fins. also I can tell you as I previously owned one
you do get heat soak on scoob IC's especially in traffic
Frank
ps one of the other reasons it suffered in some rallys was tyre related
(read reports from the early 90's)

 

[antilag]

no one seemed to mention that wen ya doing over 100mph over bumps and hills sideways through gravel u tend to get thestone fly straight through ya front mount.....i thought that was the main reason they top mounted the coolers,and also the rally car has to b as close to the road car as possible i was told ( is that true )if so they cant alter things like the top mount to front mount as surely they would have to change the production car too which would cost millions?????? just a thought

 

[nickg123]

I got an ARC Super top mount too - much better then the standard one!!

 

[Anonymous]

Antilag is right, rehomologation would cost millions and millions of pounds and a top mount does aviod stones, etc.

Dunc

 

[Edd]

top mounts are GAY
front mounts are COOL

uprated top mounts are for people confused about there sexuality :shock:

congratulations Nick and Frank for coming out :shock: :twisted:

 

[GTI-R Kid]

lol @ Edd :lol: :lol:

 

[Nad]

If it was a good idea Nissan would have doen it themselves.

Not strictly true. ALL cars are made to a compromise. Are you saying Nissan thought it was a good idea to fit brakes that don't stop the car, make the gearbox out of cheese and use 14" pram wheels?!? Wide arches would have looked pants on the base model Sunny and to add them to the GTIR only would have cost £millions. To tool up for those panels as well as all the other assosiated changes would have put the cost through the roof.

The standard brakes are fine with the right pads. Kev has had no probs with his on tarmac and dont forget u dont need big brakes on gravel. 14" wheels arent a compromise. They give maximum handling range for fitting an array of different tyres. Tarmac cars would have run +2" (FIA ruling on max rim size) which is 16's which is fine.

The GTi-R Shell, chassis and panels are individual to an R. If u get a proper wing it is thicker than the normal sunny one. If they wanted wide arch they could have. Too wide is not always good, u dont want a square wheelbase, they car wouldnt know which way it was going.

The TMIC was put there to stop stones etc but FMIC is the way to go with enough protection. Nowadays FIA rules have changed and u dont have to re homologate to add a FMIC AFAIK.

L8r

Nad

 

[J-GTi-R]

The standard brakes are fine with the right pads.

What are you talking about??? The standard brakes are rubbish with any pad, and I've tried them all.

Nissan would have put the Sunny Diesel brakes on because of cost, the same with the 14s. You can go on about 'Rally Theories' all you want but show me one rally 'R with standard wheels and brakes. The thing with cars like the 'R, Escort Cosworths, Integrales, is that they cost HUGE amounts to build and develop but the manufacturers know they will only break even if they are lucky on the costs (but that's not the point, it's the marketting kudos the manufacturers get from having a successful competition car that makes back the money). So to make sure they don't lose too much money, or upset the bean counters in the accounts department they would have HAD to build the car to a cost. With this limited budget they'd much rather spend it developing mechanical valve gear than spend it on a decent set of calipers and wheels, which would just be junked on the NME rally car anyway.

As for the gearbox, it isn't chocolate really, there are a few 'Rs around running 350 bhp on standard 'boxes and haven't broken them (I blame paddle clutches for the bad reputation myself). The thing with these are Nissan already have to build to a budget, so they're not going to waste money testing the 'box upto and beyond 400 bhp, just in case some mad modder wants to up the boost on his new Nissan. Again the NME cars wouldn't use the standard box, so Nissan would have just built a 'box that can cope with standard power and lets face it, a standard car will not break it's 'box unless you're doing something very stupid.

Finally, the GTi-R shell is not GTi-R specific, it's just 4WD specific and there are other 4WD Sunny/Pulsars about (1.6 petrol etc.). Again this is a cost thing, they would need to make back some money on the HUGE tooling costs required to build a one-off shell for a car they were only planning to build 5000 of. If it was GTi-R specific I would hedge my bets that they would have built a shell slightly more rigid than the cardboard attempt we all drive (the standard 'R shell is ridiculously flexible, hence why the cars react so well to a a few carefully chosen strut braces).

The road car is ALL about building to a cost, and nearly every 'weakpoint' on the road car is exactly where the standard part would find it's way to the bin before the rally car clocked it's first mile.

 

[Anonymous]

Whats all this its a road going rally car?????

NO, its a road car that resembles a rally car. Anybody take thier R's rallying then?

Why say leave bodykits to cossy's? Last time i looked they were in the same boat as the pulsar, road going versions of rally cars. Half you chaps do spout out some sh*te(in a nice way :lol: )

 

[Odin]

Would this be the same cossy that came with the maxpower
bodykit as standard the only thing they forgot was the
neon washer jets .

 

[NISR227]

Coming back to the subject, I personally like the widebodykit looks of the SE kit, providing its done to give a factory look with no silly extras.

IMO the blue Pulsar on the front of this months Banzai has gone too far. Its horrible rear spoiler, roof vent and different front bumper do not compliment the wide arch kit. IMO it makes it look tacky, but having said that, I admire a car like that for doing something different. On the other hand, the other wide blue Pulsar with Gold wheels looks far better, but I agree about the comment on spacers to fill the archers would be a worry.

The kit won't sell that well though, not at the price they are asking for, but least they tried.

 

[Ninja_tune_factory]

but how meny R owner will buy that kit coz when iv chated to peep with R and as soon as you say bodykits they just dont want to no and im the same the R look diffrent from any road car out there on one can say it look stand like a max power car. but that one on the fron of banzai looks like max power. if there was a poll about bodykits on the R i beat there would be way more then half or the R owner on the fromer vote agents bodykit.

 

[Odin]

but how meny R owner will buy that kit coz when iv chated to peep with R and as soon as you say bodykits they just dont want to no and im the same the R look diffrent from any road car out there on one can say it look stand like a max power car. but that one on the fron of banzai looks like max power. if there was a poll about bodykits on the R i beat there would be way more then half or the R owner on the fromer vote agents bodykit.

I agree with lionel on this body kits on the R are pants