Nistune. Whats needed to map?

KieranEG6

Member
Right I have been reading through all sorts of info on the net and don't seem to be getting any clear results.

I maybe getting a Nistune board off a mate to fit into my ECU but questions are what do I need to be able to map it? Seen over on H-dev it says the software and USB cable is needed but at £200 for a program and £70 for a USB cable :shock: They can get real.!!

I bought a Consult plug and USB lead off ebay a while ago but haven't tried it out yet. Will that do for Nistune coms?

Also If I buy the software to Tune is that specific to me and my ECU only or will I be able to tune other Nistune ECU's??
Where is the best place to get the software??

So much simpler on Honda's.
Get Hondata ECU->Download Program->Dick about with Map->Mess it up then take it to someone who knows how to map properly.

Usually I would be all over getting every little bit of info I need from net sources myself but I think the fact of it seeming like I have to fork out more money to use something that costs to buy and it being just a piggyback chip that is fairly old hat these days is just pissing me off and making me just want to go buy a Mines ECU, an APEXI Power FC or something that most mappers will already have the software for.

Also on a second note can someone point me in the right direction of some Datascan / Consult programs to just Code scan and Data monitor etc. I so far the ones I have tried to download did nothing but Spam up my laptop with viruses.
 

Fast Guy

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So much simpler on Honda's.
Get Hondata ECU->Download Program->Dick about with Map->Mess it up then take it to someone who knows how to map properly.

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It's much more complicated on Nissans........


Get Nistune ECU->Download Program->Dick about with Map->Mess it up then take it to someone who knows how to map properly.
 

KieranEG6

Member
It's much more complicated on Nissans........


Get Nistune ECU->Download Program->Dick about with Map->Mess it up then take it to someone who knows how to map properly.
So is the program free? Can I tune any other Nistune ECUs with it whenever I like?

Oh and thanks for such helpfull informative input. :thumbsup:
 
There are different licences that you can get; a normal one will allow you to map a limited number of ecu's (as many times as you like), $200 aus. To map unlimited ecu's you will need a commercial licence which is something like $600.
 
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fubar andy

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You need to buy the daughter board (fit it yourself)

Consult cable (already bought)

Licence: There are two versions

1) Tuner licence (more expensive) this allows to you to tune lots of different Nistune boards
2) Personal licence, this allows you to tune up to a maximum 5 Nistune boards.
(Note: you can download the programe from Nistune of their site, but without a licence code, the programme will delete itself once you turn your computer off (so you have to buy the licence to use the software on a regular basis)

Once you have all that and it's installed, make sure you have a wideband installed, get the Nistune to talk to the wideband and you are ready to self map

Setting up th software can be a little time consuming, I know when Jim and I started on my Nistune it had old data on it and was a little confusing, however in the end we just deleted all the maps and started from a fresh/uploaded the basic Nistune RNN14 map (which made it much easier).

As a noob to mapping, the programme is pretty easy to understand and the only downside I've found is that it doesn't have "knock" detection.
So you will need to invest in some DET cans or finish the timing map on a dyno to ensure your not getting any det issues.

Last thing is that Nistune also have all the consult programme built into it, so you can check fault codes, clean the memory, check TPS, injector duty etc etc.

It's all in one!

Any other questions let me know!


 

KieranEG6

Member
Cheers Andy, that's pretty much what I was after.

Hadn't realised it didn't have knock detection. These nistunes are seeming worse and worse the more info I get on them. But suppose they are a pretty cheap simple option.

I have a mapper mate who will be doing most of the tuning as he has much more exp and all his own DET gear and stuff. I'll just have a play and learn once I have a decent setup to go back to. I was going to use a portable PLX wideband I have but decided to buy a new one and wire it in pernenant on this car.
 

Fast Guy

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Nistune uses the OE knock sensor which may or may not work.

If it works it defaults to a knock fuel and ignition map.
 

Fusion Ed

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Cheers Andy, that's pretty much what I was after.

Hadn't realised it didn't have knock detection. These nistunes are seeming worse and worse the more info I get on them. But suppose they are a pretty cheap simple option.

I have a mapper mate who will be doing most of the tuning as he has much more exp and all his own DET gear and stuff. I'll just have a play and learn once I have a decent setup to go back to. I was going to use a portable PLX wideband I have but decided to buy a new one and wire it in pernenant on this car.
Worse and worse? It's a great system that works very very well, I have been using them since 2008.... Nissan knock systems are poor. Don't rely on them at all.
 

KieranEG6

Member
Just things like no MAP support etc. I was hoping to change to map/iat as it seems a more efficient control.

Think I'll probably run it temporary on nistune and see how it goes, as they do seem well supported and a simple starting point. Might start looking into other alternatives if it's not efficient enough.
 

fubar andy

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Worse and worse? It's a great system that works very very well, I have been using them since 2008.... Nissan knock systems are poor. Don't rely on them at all.
Have to agree with Ed here.

The knock system on the Nissan is crap to say the least and far too slow to react. :hide:

However everything else is spot on. Granted its no Syvecs or Motec by any standards, but for a decent ECU system I can't knock it and I'd certainly not write it off!
 

Fusion Ed

Active Member
Just things like no MAP support etc. I was hoping to change to map/iat as it seems a more efficient control.

Think I'll probably run it temporary on nistune and see how it goes, as they do seem well supported and a simple starting point. Might start looking into other alternatives if it's not efficient enough.
MAP has its advantages and also disadvantages. MAF is more flexible and tolerant of changes. Technically a well designed MAF is much better than a MAP, its the more expensive engineered option. Just tuning people prefer map as they are easier to understand... You really dont need to worry which you use...
 
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