Paint Choices - KH3 or a new Nissan Black?

[CruiseGTi-R]

As title really, about to get a full re-spray and wondering whether to go KH3 or use a more modern day paint.

I'm assuming paint tech has moved on a lot since the old KH3. Would say a black from a 370Z or R35 be a lot harder (and shinier 8))?

Does the KH3 even have a clear coat?

Any other tips on getting a re-spray done also welcome (what panels and trim should and shouldn't come off etc etc).


Cheers
Toby

 

[rich1216]

As title really, about to get a full re-spray and wondering whether to go KH3 or use a more modern day paint.

I'm assuming paint tech has moved on a lot since the old KH3. Would say a black from a 370Z or R35 be a lot harder (and shinier 8))?

Does the KH3 even have a clear coat?


Any other tips on getting a re-spray done also welcome (what panels and trim should and shouldn't come off etc etc).


Cheers
Toby

Are you doing the paint or someone else? KH3 is the code it would just get mixed up the same the hardness will be the same but if you want tougher then its down to the clearcoat. I use 2 pac which you dont need to clear over as is shiny enough but i clear as well stops fading and such in uv depending on quality of it

 

[CruiseGTi-R]

Thanks. A bodyshop is doing it. I suppose the hardness and shinyness is all down to the clear coat then, so may as well stick with the original KH3.

 

[rich1216]

the kh3 will be modern paint any way its only a code for the colour it will originally been full solvent paint which is illegal to use on any vehicle that touchesthe road now the hardness will come on its own if its mixed right so should the shine as long as the person doing it knows what there doing

 

[Fire & skill]

So is 2 pack banned or cellulose?

 

[Fusion Ed]

New cars are water-based paints. Body shops are mixed 2K & water based. Probably mostly 2K still. Does anyone except classic stuff still use cellulose?

 

[CruiseGTi-R]

Thanks guys, interesting.

So our cars originally didn't have a clear coat? I assume its a good thing to add one if getting a re-spray nowadays, for protection and being able to buff it later on etc. Presumably a bit more shiny too.

 

[rich1216]

Its cellulose thats banned like Ed said its all 2k acrylic/water based now that gets used even the classic stuff your not allowed cellulose but you can still get it most paint shops would mix it up as theres no real way of checking what was used and they dont check your paint on the mot its to do with its emissions :der:

 

[gtirx2]

2k is the one that is surposibly banned and only ment for commercial use but its still easyly avalible,2.k is toxic.
You can get 2k in either a gloss which dont need laquer like the ivory kj7,or a base coat then laquer like the kh3 black on the gtir,all black gtirs are base then laquer there is also two hues of black i think, one with a red tinge and one with more of a brown.
2k is the tougher paint compaired to cellulose,cellulose is shit lol,all gtirs are 2k.

 

[rich1216]

2k is the one that is surposibly banned and only ment for commercial use but its still easyly avalible,2.k is toxic.
You can get 2k in either a gloss which dont need laquer like the ivory kj7,or a base coat then laquer like the kh3 black on the gtir,all black gtirs are base then laquer there is also two hues of black i think, one with a red tinge and one with more of a brown.
2k is the tougher paint compaired to cellulose,cellulose is shit lol,all gtirs are 2k.

Not been funny but the 2k water based i used every week is not banned its all some places will sell usd and when the dreaded health and safety come round for the paint shop its ok with them.

 

[gtirx2]

2k solvent based is what i am on about, not to sure on the water based paints but i think they replaced the solvent stuff on modern cars.
Its all abit of a grey area but is still very easy to get 2k solvent stuff.
I think the toxic part is the hardener used in the 2k solvent products for the paint ,laquers and primers,you need a mask and an air feed really.
I think its more about the emissions and being more friendly to the ozone is why they have stopped using it though?
If i was spraying a car i would only use the 2k solvent paints,to me on these modern cars the paint never seems as tough being water based and chips easyly.

I am by no means a paint expert lol but have messed around with a few different types and the 2k solvent paint always seem the best.

 

[Greygtir]

Water base dose not chip easily, the shit clear people put on might but not water base

 

[gtirx2]

Yeah your proberly right,like mentioned i dont know much about the water based stuff it just that i have seen it on a few modener cars and the chips always seem worse to me for some reason lol.my uncles focus just seemed to have a fair few in all sorts of places,most down to the primer.

There is a strong possibilty that all this water based and solvent based is only to do with the base colour anyhow and that the laquer used is still 2k solvent based?

 

[rich1216]

2k solvent based is what i am on about, not to sure on the water based paints but i think they replaced the solvent stuff on modern cars.
Its all abit of a grey area but is still very easy to get 2k solvent stuff.
I think the toxic part is the hardener used in the 2k solvent products for the paint ,laquers and primers,you need a mask and an air feed really.
I think its more about the emissions and being more friendly to the ozone is why they have stopped using it though?
If i was spraying a car i would only use the 2k solvent paints,to me on these modern cars the paint never seems as tough being water based and chips easyly.

I am by no means a paint expert lol but have messed around with a few different types and the 2k solvent paint always seem the best.

Yeah your right the 2k solvent is banned got wires crossed i thought you meant all 2k. And i agree 2k solvent is much better quality and i prefer painting with it but as said emissions laws makes you use water based for customers. If i was to re do my R i would use solvent all day long and clear over it nice and tough then :-D

 

[warpspeed]

2K IS banned for car use but not for motorcycles.....also water based is the industry standard for basecoat but you cannot get water based lacquer only 2K which kinda defeats the point of the new rules....

 

[Greygtir]

2k is not banned!!!!!! It is readily available from any bodyshop suppliers, all the big maufactures sell this, sikkens spies hecker dupont, all house of kolor paint is solvent based.

YES Clear coat is available in waterbase, although last time i painted it you put it on and it was a milky colour but dried clear. Like waterbase on goes on wired colors but dries the colour you want.

There hase been no change with the eu paints directive. FACT

The only bodyshops who use waterbase or need to use waterbase are large bodyshops who aim to be ATA aproved this is a big deal in body shops and normlly go on a big overhaul.

This will not effect dwane pipe who want to paint his saxo in his garage, nor will it affect paint by george who has a small number of cars each week FACT