Yokohama Parada spec 2 V Goodyear Eagle

[GTiRlover]

I'm looking for owners who have used both the above tyres on their R's on the road. What I would like to know is they compare to each other in the dry. I know the Eagle's have a reputation as wet weather specialists so they will have the Parada's licked in that area but I know very little about the performance of the Eagle's in the dry..

To thow a curve ball at the above have many owners used R888's or any equivilant tyre on the road on their R's? If so what are they like??

Thanks

 

[vss irvine]

i always go for either proxes or continental sport contact. i tried the pradas and was disappointed,

http://www.tyretest.com/

 

[PobodY]

I've had the Pradas before.... I understeered into a kerb on an icy road. In fairness that was probably more to do with the road, but as I smashed the rim I changed the tyre too.
I've got Proxes on the rear now; they seemed a little twitchy in the snow, but other than that I've had no problems with them. They seem to wear quite well too.
I've just put Eagle F1s on the front (this morning), so I can't really comment on them yet.

 

[Animaldaz]

Cant comment for the yokies but the eagle f1's are the best tyre i have used to date.

 

[GTiRlover]

vss irvine- I have used the Proxes before and found the Parada's more to my liking. Will look into the Conti's though. Thanks for the link btw!

PobodY- Parada's aren't the best tyres for slippery conditions I must admit! Which F1's have you fitted because there are GSD3's and Assymetrics I believe..

Animaldaz- Praise indeed! What tyres are you comparing the F1's to? Are they as good in the wet on the R as their reputation suggests?

Thanks for the replies

 

[John]

I used to hold the Parada's in high regard, however after using them on a trackday at Knockhill I have found them to be totally useless when pushed hard, well certainly on my setup/power. They overheated within a few laps and made the car very unstable and didnt promote pushing the car, the sidewalls are also very soft I found so again quite a bit of movement.

For the road in the dry Paradas are great, it just seems they didnt enjoy the consistant abuse on the track (obviously not 100% designed for this) and there wet weather performance is far from ideal.

 

[MarkTurbo]

To thow a curve ball at the above have many owners used R888's or any equivilant tyre on the road on their R's? If so what are they like??

Don't tell me you're thinking of putting a set of R888's on a road car at this time of year :shock:

 

[GTiRlover]

John- Interesting what you say about the Parada's on track, although I suppose thats what to be expected when you use a road tyre hard on track.. Can you recommend a good tyre for road use that provides similar levels of grip in the dry as the Parada's but performs better in wet conditions?

MarkTurbo- Probably not going to fit a dedicated semi slick on the car this time of year but was just wondering what the grip level difference would be between a road tyre and a more track based tyre.

Has anybody any other suggestions for a good road tyre?

 

[fubar andy]

RS2's

 

[keastygtir]

rainsport 2's are supposed to be good, but I havent tried them.

 

[Braveheart]

Don't tell me you're thinking of putting a set of R888's on a road car at this time of year :shock:

To my surprise, I found the R888's surprisingly grippy under cold wet conditions on the road and would not count them out.
Under dry conditions on track they wear very quickly but deliver great performance.

 

[GTiRlover]

fubar andy- I have heard good things about the Hankooks, what are they like on the R in dry and wet conditions on the road and how do they compare to other tyres you have used? Thanks.

keasygtir- Evo magazine tested the Rainsport 2's a couple of months ago and they came second in test so thanks I'll look into them...

Braveheart- What were the R888's like on the road? Do you have to drive it like you stole it to get heat into them for them to provide decent grip or are the sticky from the start? What is the closest dry weather performer to the R888 that you have used on the road and are the R888's really dangerous in the wet?

I was also considering a set of Yokohama AD08 Advan Neova. Has anybody used these?

Thanks for the replies

 

[campbellju]

Before choosing a trye you need to decide what you want from it. The Goodyears are a great road trye but I've found they overheat after extended us on a trackday.

The Yokohama AD08 like the R888 are not a road tyre IMO but are good on a dry track. They can be used on the road but if you don't go near a track then there are more appropriate tyres.

On the continent people use winter tyres as the tread pattern is designed for snow/wet but also the rubber is designed to work better when it's cold. Again, the most appropriate tyre for you is dependent on what you want from it.

I use Goodyear's as I believe they give good performance all year round and they are cheap. They didn't do the size I needed in the asymetic so I could only choose the GSD3.

Times change though and it's a pity the EVO test didn't feature the goodyear tyre.

here is another mag that does with a few other reviews.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2010-Sport-Auto-Ultra-High-Performance-Tyre-Test.htm

When you flick through all the reviews the sport contacts do well.

 

[Braveheart]

Braveheart- What were the R888's like on the road? Do you have to drive it like you stole it to get heat into them for them to provide decent grip or are the sticky from the start? What is the closest dry weather performer to the R888 that you have used on the road and are the R888's really dangerous in the wet?

I was also considering a set of Yokohama AD08 Advan Neova. Has anybody used these?

Thanks for the replies

I thought they were great straight out the box...
Popped the wheels and tyres on the car and went for a drive.
It was early November, cold rain and road. I could not stop smiling about how silly I was testing road legal slicks under such conditions.. I drive A, B and C roads and was very surprised with the ability to shift water and find grip. The amount of spray from the rear was also a surprise.
Having scrubbed in, I had a track day at knockhill a week later and had a ball. Start was delayed due to ice on track and the evening was cut short due to ice forming again.... noticable sign was cars departing the track...:lol:
The R888's were great and produced heat under the conditions. They give me alot of feedback and confidence.
Tracking them on a warm summers day is heartbreaking as they are near enough finished. maybe good warm trackday though... ;-)
Track session on the 13th Nov so hope to join them again!
I'm always interest in tyres... I think it's cheaper to buy a good set of rims and tyres together. You should get the tyres for next to nothing. Group buy on year... great rims + R888's five hundred and fifty....

Some daft Scotsman...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbNsPmZXp5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUf5BGXE9H4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATJ6wO9mX4

 

[fubar andy]

fubar andy- I have heard good things about the Hankooks, what are they like on the R in dry and wet conditions on the road and how do they compare to other tyres you have used?

RS2 are a decent sports tyre. I've used them for track days and fast road use.
However put them against Yoko AO48's that I've used then the AO48's are a better tyre for dry grip.
Wet grip - the RS2's are ok, nothing that I would rate about, the side walls are also quite stiff so there is little movement when pushing them hard.

On the continent people use winter tyres as the tread pattern is designed for snow/wet but also the rubber is designed to work better when it's cold. Again, the most appropriate tyre for you is dependent on what you want from it.

I think that this is the most important statement that you need to consider.

 

[GTiRlover]

campbellju- Thanks for the reply. I agree with what you say about choosing the tyre that is most suitable for the driving you do. I only drive my car for pleasure and so I want the tyre that gives me the best grip in all conditions and so wear rate is a secondary concern for me. I was asking about the AD08 because I know the Evo boys rave about them and they fared very well in the recent Evo tyre test winning both the dry track and road course tests. However they didn't fare quite so well in the wet but thats to be expected of a road legal semi-slick. I realise that some sort of compromise will have to be made when choosing a tyre that will provide the best grip in both conditions and its whether I want to trade dry grip for wet grip- Goodyear Eagles or wet grip for dry grip- Parada's/ RS2's/ AD08's...

You say the Goodyears are the best compromise for you- what other tyres can you compare them with? What are the asymetric F1's like compared to the GSD3's because I had heard that one was a more performance inspired tyre than the other although I can't remember which was considered "better". The new edition of Evo has another tyre test in this month using a Meganne and they have included the Eagle's in the test, although I haven't read it yet so can't say where the place. I'm hoping Evo do a four wheel drive tyre test soon!..

Braveheart- I'm surprised to hear that the R888's provided such impressive grip in wet and cold conditions especially when new. When comparing wet levels of grip what tyre does the R888 compare with? How many miles have you gotten with one set of R888's and do you change the front and back tyres over every now and again to distribute wear evenly? Like the vids by the way!

fubar andy- I am considering the RS2's because they are fairly reasonably priced and get good reviews too. How much extra dry grip do the AO48 have over the RS2's. What is the wear rate like for a semi-slick tyre driven hard?

 

[fubar andy]

fubar andy- I am considering the RS2's because they are fairly reasonably priced and get good reviews too. How much extra dry grip do the AO48 have over the RS2's. What is the wear rate like for a semi-slick tyre driven hard?

The AO48's are better for grip no doubt however you pay for that extra grip, its an expensive purchase.
If you move to RS2's then you will be pleasantly surprised how good they are, the grip levels are very good and offer value for money.

I have a three AO48's in the garage at present. I looked into buying one more make a full set (after I flat spotted one), but at £178 for one bloody tyre they are a rip-off!

Imo, I'd stick with RS2's or Goodyear's unless you have cash to burn! :thumb:

 

[Braveheart]

Braveheart- I'm surprised to hear that the R888's provided such impressive grip in wet and cold conditions especially when new. When comparing wet levels of grip what tyre does the R888 compare with? How many miles have you gotten with one set of R888's and do you change the front and back tyres over every now and again to distribute wear evenly?

I was also surprised at the grip they provided staight out the box. I would not of dreamed about riding a motorbike hard on new tyres but gave it a go with the R and R888's. They just wanted to serve you and work...
I do rotate them but being directional, they can only go front to back. I do not drive my car on the road often and if I did, I would not use the R888's as they do wear quickly... I would take a guess and say 100 miles on a dry track or 2000 miles on road and they are fit for the bin.

 

[GTiRlover]

fubar andy- the price of the A048 certainly puts me off them but its interesting to know that they do perform better than the RS2's. The RS2's and Goodyears are looking like the best candidates at the moment, thanks for the reply.

Braveheart- 100 miles on track or 2K on the road I know I said above that performance is my priority over the wear rate but that certainly makes them a very expensive choice! As much as I'd love a set I can't really justify spending so much on tyres for so few miles despite how much fun I would probably have with them!

 

[MarkTurbo]

I would not use the R888's as they do wear quickly... I would take a guess and say 100 miles on a dry track or 2000 miles on road and they are fit for the bin.

Have to agree with that, you would probably get a few more miles out of them if you drove around steady but then whats the point in having them. To be honest they're not really a very good trackday tyre either ;-) They do grip well but once you've done 2 or 3 laps they just start getting hot and melting :lol: Its much more cost effective to take a spare set of wheels with some medium/hard compound tarmac rally slicks as they'll last a hell of a lot longer.

If anyone wants to see for themselves what happens to them i'll take a picture of one of my medium compound R888's that did 2 laps of castle combe the other week, it was quite cold that day too.