Do i need a forged engine for 350BHP reliably

[Perrin21]

Hi, i have a very clean and reliable R but id love to take it to 350BHP and keep the reliability. Its 250BHP at the moment but only has a front mount intercooler and high flow panel filter and uprated fuel pump. Id like to keep the car mostly standard looking. Do i need to go forged if i want to maintain reliability or should i look to spend my money elsewhere? Heres what i was thinking

Remap at Fusion
Set car up at 1.2 Bar Boost
Maybe electronic boost control or dawes device, cant decide. want fit and forget
Z32 Maf
uprated injectors to 550cc

Let me know your thoughts

 

[Mad]

Tough one. I would say you are probably ok as long as your setup and uprated parts are good.

400bhp is probably where I would decide that a Forged Engine is your better option.

 

[PobodY]

I wouldn't bother forging it for that kind of power; it's still happily within the limits of a standard engine (based on empricial evidence).
Without meaning to do Ed out of a sale, you could just run something like a Mines ECU at 1.2bar with a dawes device and achieve that... well, maybe not quite 350bhp; is it a magic number?

You won't have any flashing lights and beeping alarms, but if you're serious about trying to keep a fairly stock look that's probably an advantage.

Spend the money on brakes and handling instead, but don't forget that if this is a road car you don't want to put stiff track-day parts in it; that will just make it uncomoftable and unusable on the road.

 

[Perrin21]

I wouldn't bother forging it for that kind of power; it's still happily within the limits of a standard engine (based on empricial evidence).
Without meaning to do Ed out of a sale, you could just run something like a Mines ECU at 1.2bar with a dawes device and achieve that... well, maybe not quite 350bhp; is it a magic number?

You won't have any flashing lights and beeping alarms, but if you're serious about trying to keep a fairly stock look that's probably an advantage.

Spend the money on brakes and handling instead, but don't forget that if this is a road car you don't want to put stiff track-day parts in it; that will just make it uncomoftable and unusable on the road.

Hi Thanks for your reply, i already have Hi Spec brakes (billet 4) and the car has front and rear strut braces. Im thinking of a 2071R turbo .64 what else will i need to do it properly. Id still take it to edd for a map. Just to make sure everything is optimised. probs have the turbo from there too.

 

[pulsarboby]

i would agree with what george has said

forget the bigger injectors and z32 and leave it at arouind 330bhp.....the difference in speed will not even be noticed between 330-350

as for forge route....assuming the engine is good and your ancilliary parts also then you will not have a problem with leaving as is

 

[johnsy]

Seems an awful long way to go for a mapping session, when you have the likes of TRL near enough!

 

[Perrin21]

Seems an awful long way to go for a mapping session, when you have the likes of TRL near enough!

Well a day out is a day out, besides i want to go the nistune route and Edd seems to be highly praised.

 

[Perrin21]

what are the limits of the standard gearbox? is there any way to strengthen it? i have a local gearbox specialist nearby. what usually breaks??

 

[iomegalinux]

i was going your route, finaly i did changed the tubby for a ball bearing one, gt2871r, .64, and i don't regret it, it change the cars completly, far more driveable and responsive. lot more powerband. running 1.1 bar on the new gt turbo, and it feel quick enough for me. i'm now running nistune with a base map from ed.

 

[johnsy]

why pay all that money for a nistune db when you could pick the likes of a greddy emanage up for about a ton, and anywhere will map it, some of you people need your head testing,

I dont think they come much higher praised or with as much experience as Matt @ the racing line in Halifax.......totally bonkers

 

[Mad]

why pay all that money for a nistune db when you could pick the likes of a greddy emanage up for about a ton, and anywhere will map it, some of you people need your head testing,

I dont think they come much higher praised or with as much experience as Matt @ the racing line in Halifax.......totally bonkers

You do have a good point but I would always go with someone I have spoken too, has given good advice and trust before someone's recommendation on working with my car any day of the week. If you find someone local then that's a benefit

 

[Perrin21]

why pay all that money for a nistune db when you could pick the likes of a greddy emanage up for about a ton, and anywhere will map it, some of you people need your head testing,

I dont think they come much higher praised or with as much experience as Matt @ the racing line in Halifax.......totally bonkers

Whilst i agree with your point. they charge £460 to remap so there isnt a cost benefit. Plus i would also have to purchase the emanage. They also specialise in Evo's so id rather have someone who knows Pulsars and specialises in them to a certain extent working on my car. Thanks for the suggestion though.

 

[shroom]

Whilst i agree with your point. they charge £460 to remap so there isnt a cost benefit. Plus i would also have to purchase the emanage. They also specialise in Evo's so id rather have someone who knows Pulsars and specialises in them to a certain extent working on my car. Thanks for the suggestion though.

I would get a wideband lamda sensor if you are going to get it mapped, would be shame to be so far away and an injector fail and melt your engine without you knowing or any other fault, it will cost alot with fuel etc and im sure raceing line are cheaper than that or have you phoned them specificaly, that is a full days mapping though Sunny jones had his car done there so they tune pulsars, and do it very well it is not some sort of "special" car if they can tune evo's then a peice of shit pulsar going for 350 bhp is hardly something they will sweat about.

 

[vpulsar]

I ran mine at 399 bhp on the standard engine for just over 2 years before the ring lands started to give up the ghost, So you should be fine as long as you have a healthy engine, The one thing I will advise is that you fit a proper 13 or 16 row front mounted oil cooler, Because in my experience keeping a pulsar engine together requires very good cooling, So maybe fit an up rated rad as well and you should enjoy many trouble free miles, Get the foundations right my friend!



John

 

[stevepudney]

I ran mine at 399 bhp on the standard engine for just over 2 years before the ring lands started to give up the ghost, So you should be fine as long as you have a healthy engine, The one thing I will advise is that you fit a proper 13 or 16 row front mounted oil cooler, Because in my experience keeping a pulsar engine together requires very good cooling, So maybe fit an up rated rad as well and you should enjoy many trouble free miles, Get the foundations right my friend!



John

Totally agree, it's all in the basic's......also a FMIC would help the over all cooling. Feed it the right oil, fuel and a little mechanical sympathy and you should be fine.

 

[iomegalinux]

why pay all that money for a nistune db when you could pick the likes of a greddy emanage up for about a ton, and anywhere will map it

i asked 3 tuner, and they prefer not to tune emanage, cause they had stability problem with it, also, knowing that you have to, cut, splice, weld on your ecu harness (not everybody has the skill to do this, the right way, so paying someone to do it is not cheap. )and it's not worth it. i had emanage, ultimate, and remove it to put nistune.
when i installed my z32 maf, i just open the software and change the maf, since that time i begin to have all kind of issue like overfueling like crazy at some point, lean at other point (remeber all i change was the maf)
i then put back std maf, restore original config then it was ok, i then try the same only with injector, it did almost the same
i installed the same maf with my nistune and it did work like a top. then injector, still perfect.
i wouldn't go with emanage ever again.

 

[PobodY]

I have a distrust of any of the piggy-back systems, mainly because they rely on fooling the ECU and modifying signals; if they go wrong my worry is they could cause serious damage, whereas if a replacement/chipped ECU goes wrong it just stops (along with the engine).

 

[red reading]

Ed and nistune............you need to remember he is the only one that has got 500bhp on one and has masses of experiance with it.....he can also put launch control on there too, sometimes the travelling is worth it. piggy backs are shite for what the cost is your better off with nistune.....the old saying keep it simple

 

[watoga]

I say buy NIStune and do the tuning yourself! Start with small steps and be extra careful, but it's worth it in the end. Plus it's an educational experience!

Dave

 

[iomegalinux]

the problem with nistune is the software worth 200$ + board etc.. your near 600$
but it work rock solid, and seem that the software is really good, but in trial mode, i cannot even log