Bob, That's a fair enough point, i'm guilty of opening my gob without knowing the full details, but i only say it how I see it, this was brought up on your forum and the op is banned so can't say anything in his defence, if it wasn't being accused/insinuated that it was his doing, then i assume this wouldn't be here ? The thing is, it's a forum, so people comment on what they see, i've not accused you of doing anything, i've written what i've heard, yet you've people like Gaz saying we (over here) all know the truth, a thiefs a thief blah blah.... apparently knows what's gone on yet says nothing but cryptic little lines..... So when he says stuff like that, to me it sounds like i'm in on some big conspiracy, which he knows about, but i don't ?? So, i've said exactly what i've heard and asked him to do the same, but instead get another cryptic reply 'look closer to home' , what does that even mean, it's like telling everyone you know what's happened and not telling anyone anything, that's shit stirring, just say what you know then other people don't feel like they're being made a part of it, or if you're not willing to say whst you know, don't post ? Anyways, i have no personal problem with you, i'm not trying to wreck your company or whatever, just didn't like what i read and thought it was a bit one sided, i'll say it as i see it from my perspective, not always a good thing but that's me, after reading your side it looks 6 of 1 & half a dozen of the other, there's obviously more to it than i've heard, so in hindsight maybe i should have kept shut, but then that still stems back to the old adage, say what you know or say nothing at all.